Electric Cars On The Way

Hey, James I see your comments but I'm not sure how to respond to you... you can e-mail me at aikeru [at] gmail [dot] com

I think it's always exciting to see yet another manufacturer starting on a BEV :) here's a list of the ones I've found so far:

Who doesn't love the Tesla Model S sedan? 300mi. range with a 45minute "quick-charge" at $49,9k
http://www.teslamotors.com/models/index.php
Tesla is also supplying Mercedes-Benz with batteries for their EV
http://www.leftlanenews.com/tesla-to-provide-lithium-ion-batteries-to-mercedes-benz.html
Remember the "Miles EV"? 80+mph, 120+mi range XS500 set to be $30k-$35k
http://www.zoomilife.com/2008/11/22/miles-automotive-introduces-xs500-electric-sedan/
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/30000_electric.php
Subaru's sub-$20k R1e which can recharge in 15 minutes with a 124mi. range
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/subaru-electric-cars-r1e-g4e-new-york.php
Dodge's beautiful EV sports car 150-200mi., 0-60 <5sec. four hour charge at 220v
http://jalopnik.com/5053495/chrysler-unveils-dodge-ev-a-tesla+like-all+electric-sports-car
BMW's Electric Mini
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/bmw-electric-mini-cooper-california.php
Nissan's unnamed electric - it will be a 4 door, FWD hatchback. They have the interesting idea of leasing the batteries and having a reduced price for the car itself...
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2009-05-07-nissan-electric-car-review_N.htm
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/03/23/nissans-2010-electric-car-in-u-s-will-be-price-competitive-wit/
Indian-made REVA Electric Car (75mi., 50mph, 90% charge in 1 hour)
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/01/reva-l-ion.php
Electric Tango 0-60 in 4 seconds
http://www.tangoelectriccar.com/
http://hackedgadgets.com/2009/01/17/tango-electric-car-good-in-snow-and-faster-than-the-tesla/
Mercedes-Benz developing BEV, plans to eliminate fossil by 2015
http://www.greencar.com/articles/preview-mercedes-bluezero-electric-cars.php
http://www.hybridcars.com/types-systems/mercedes-electric-cars-swiss-army-25359.html
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/23/electric-mercedes-benz-coming-in-2010/
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/06/mercedes-eliminate-petroleum-7-years-2015.php
GM's Chevy Volt - well, it's not 100% BEV seeing as they added a gasoline generator to recharge the batteries, but for people who need 1 car that can refuel at a gas station on a long trip, it may be ideal.
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/03/27/what-will-the-chevy-volt-cost-depends-on-the-price-of-gas-at-th/
http://gm-volt.com/
Fisker's Karma is much like the volt, but at $80km, 125mph and a 50mi. range before gas generator
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/11/fisker-automotive-karma-detroit-center.php
Ford to bring pure Ford Focus BEV to market in 2011
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/05/ford-invests-550-million-michigan-plant-focus-electric-car-bev.php?daylife=1&dcitc=daylife-article
http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/20/autos/ford_electric/index.htm
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090202/AUTO01/902020354
Chinese BYD's E6 who Warren Buffet has invested in
http://money.cnn.com/2009/04/13/technology/gunther_electric.fortune/
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/01/byd-shows-produ.html
Toyota FT-EV
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/toyota/2009-toyota-ft-ev-ar69094.html
http://www.hybridcars.com/vehicle/toyota-ft-ev.html
Mitsubishi MiEV
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/do/vdp/articleId=124867/pageNumber=1
Th!nk City electric car - a four-seater with 110 mile range and top speed of 65 mph, priced under $25,000, made from 95% recyclable materials
http://gas2.org/2008/04/23/affordable-electric-cars-coming-to-us-in-2009/
Google invested in Aptera Motors, their Type 1 will sell for $27k
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/google-invests-aptera-motors-actacell-battery.php
Jeep EV and Chrysler Minivan EV
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/09/chrysler-electric-cars-prototypes-dodge-jeep-minivan-ev.php
Lightning GT 0-60 in 4 seconds, beautiful and very, very expensive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_GT

Even though it's not at all practical, if you've seen the super-fast "Eliica" electric car, they shoudl be making them for sale at about $255k ea.:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/30/team-hopes-to-build-200-eight-wheeled-eliica-electric-cars/

Honda seems to have a negative view of BEV or PHEV...
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/honda-poo-poos-plug-in-hybrid-electric-vehicles-phev/
But Honda will be making a battery electric motorcycle
http://www.thebikergene.com/electric-hybrids/honda-electric-motorcycle-to-debut-in-2010/

Check out "Better Place" with their quick-recharge and battery swap-out stations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=iwsCmeS4mI4
They're already doing things in Australia, Hawaii, Israel and elsewhere!

Did you enjoy "Who Killed the Electric Car"? Well, there's a new movie coming out: "Revenge of the Electric Car"
http://revengeoftheelectriccar.com/

I don't really care for the NEV thing myself, but China's got a cheap one
Chinese "Fly Bo" 40mph with 70-150mi. range at $10k
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/12/16/video-fly-bo-a-150-mile-range-smart-look-a-like-ev-on-sale/
http://greenhome.huddler.com/products/fly-bo-6000-2-ev

I got some of my info here:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/17-electric-cars-overview-2005-to-2008.php
http://www.treehugger.com/galleries/2009/01/slideshow-gallery-23-electric-cars-evs.php?page=23

I'm also still eagerly awaiting the Automotive X-Prize :)
http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams

Filling up

This entertaining activity is something the whole family can enjoy! :)
Gas is $2.09/gal outside of my neighborhood and I saw as high as $2.15 on my way to work.
For people like me who are still stuck driving gasoline cars (for now), here's a great site MSN has for finding the best deal:
http://autos.msn.com/everyday/gasstations.aspx?zip&src=Netx

It also tells you the highest and lowest prices reported for the country (which is usually Alaska oh Hawaii but today it's California). Where I live is usually right about the average.

There was a time with $2.00 was outrageous -- now it's "not a bad deal".

Current Wishlist

While I'll be shopping around for suppliers, here's my current wishlist to be updated as I discover I need more stuff and as I find better prices.

• Electric Motor -- looking at a used GE motor or Advanced DC 4001
• Transmission coupler + adapter plate to the electric motor
• DC-DC Converter (to get my 120V to 12V power for windows, radio, lights, etc.)
  http://www.evparts.com/prod-DC2420.htm
  
• Vacuum Pump, Brake Vacuum Switch (like in Ep5 of evcapri)
• Potentiometer for throttle
  http://www.evparts.com/prod-PB2222.htm
  
• Voltmeter, Ammeter, any other "meters" I may need
• Curtis PMC 1221C controller
  http://www.evparts.com/prod-CT2230.htm
• Currently thinking 15 x 8V Flooded Lead Acid Batteries - thinking I may go with Interstate, I have plenty of time to decide
  
• Probably 3x Chrome "Electric" Emblems
  http://www.evparts.com/prod-AC2810.htm
• Some kind of heater to replace the heat originally from the engine
  http://www.kiwiev.com/11_2d_the_heater.html
  
• Some kind of charging system and on-board battery charger stuff
  http://www.kiwiev.com/17_2d_charging_system.html
• While I intend to try and balance the load a bit between front and back (hmmm, do I really, really need that back seat? Not if I am building this for myself... hmmm) probably need to upgrade the springs/struts for additional support
  

And of course there's the cost of the custom motor mount, battery boxes that need to be made, etc.
Being a computer programmer, I have plenty of spare parts in that regard :) so of course I have a spare 12V computer fan or two that I guess I could use to ventilate the rear battery box.
Finally there's all the other odd bits and pieces like fuses and battery connectors.

I'm sure I'll think of more.

Exhaust Cut Off! :)

Although I'd only removed the exhaust from the engine prior, it's finally off and away!
I had some help from my neighbor, Cody.



I think I will spend another day removing what I can from the underside of the car (ie: gas tank)
I might know of a motor I can purchase but I'm not sure if the timing is right.
Regardless, I'll have some shopping to do once I've removed a few more bits and pieces!!
Exciting!

Iceless Probe!!

Thanks to Brad Pogue's help, the ICE is finally out!! Woooohooo!!

Adjusted EV Calculations

You'll be happy to know I was off on my calculations about the electricity. According to my city's website, the highest price during winter for the first 2000kWh (they actually charge less after this) is 0.087 cents/kWh
This would take the EV cost per mile if at 0.44kWh / mile = 0.038 cents/mile for the electricity.
(12,000mi = $456)
My current car is more like 0.088 cent/mile for gasoline alone at $1.95/gal (12,000mi = $1,056)
If gasoline gets up to $3/gal again it would be 0.136 cent/mile (12,000mi = $1,632)

So I ought to save anywhere from $600 - $1,176 on fuel/year ($50 - $98/month).
Granted I'm not counting maintenance here (like oil, filters, coolant/antifreeze, etc. vs. battery replacement costs) but the ROI has potential if you continue to drive the EV.

I have read one using "$500/year" arbitrary figure for ICE maintenance costs and 3.3c/mile battery replacement but I don't know that I feel comfortable using those numbers.
Really that's not quite 1c/mile extra (+0.041 for ICE, +0.033 for EV) or $96/year savings.

If only solar and wind generators were cheaper for consumers...

Well I do not think electricity itself will get cheaper (quite the opposite) but I do believe batteries will from everything I've been reading in EV news, etc.

Oh, and if you can somehow charge from work... you can get even better savings.

I really believe there is an unquantifiable savings benefit to driving an EV that involves the lack of complexity. To just diagnose problems I've had with other cars, it can cost lots of money, since there are just so many parts and systems and they're buried and interconnected with each other. The more points of failure, the more chances for something to go wrong. Still, I can't think that way in my calculations and I'm not that much of a pessimist. :)

It's really interesting thinking about a car as something that could "pay for itself" (not literally unless I had a truly green solution like wind/solar).

Oh I will add, if your car really gets 50mpg (for the argument of say a Prius driven conservatively) you're more like 0.039 @ $1.95 and 0.06 @ $3 which cuts your overall savings but something to note about all those wonderful hybrid cars? Don't they need battery replacements, too? ;)

Slightly more empty engine bay :)

My neighbor Cody came over and we hacked away at the engine a bit today. His Dad owns a saw and I talked with some other people that own or know people that own one and somebody is bound to make good on lending me one. :)




He cut some hoses rather hastily and we could smell coolant. I've been told that A/C really isn't worth it/isn't possible by some fellow EV'rs. I could live without it but it's a real shame if that's the case. Cody is also letting me borrow his socket set so I was able to tear into it some more. :)
He should be back tonight and we'll see how much farther we can go!

I've been recommended to get "Freeze Off" and some "Gator Grip Pliers" to deal with the stripped nut(s)... and a heavy hammer.

Shout out to the other EV'rs I've talked to - David, Steve, Mike and Cliff in case they read this. :)

Very little progress

Well I took a couple of small pieces off the engine and tried with that same nut and the one near it.
Here's the stripped nut I can't get off:



So I thought maybe I could remove the one you can't see here


But that is proving difficult without a ratchet for that size nut, since mine seems to have disappeared and I don't have access to my Dad's tools. A friend of a friend might come by tonight or this weekend, although I'm leaning in favor of a local mechanic I've spoken with that seems like he can offer me a good deal and even do some limited welding work. We'll see what happens.

Perhaps this weekend I can purchase some tools to help accomplish my goals. :)